Episode 14: Spirits, Ghosts and Visitations – Oh My!

Tom Pisello

Today, I’ve got a couple of guests. This is a rarity where we have more than one guest, but we’re welcoming back two amazing guests to talk about Spirits, Ghosts and Visitations. Oh My!. 

We welcome back first Helen Keeling-Neal. She’s a licensed mental health counselor, licensed marriage and family therapist, nationally certified counselor and she’s got a private practice in my hometown here of Winter Park, Florida. And Helen is on the board with us here at Growth through Grief to help guide our practice on all things involving the Mind. . As well,  Helen has experienced grief and loss herself. She is a widow. Her husband passed away when her children were really young, four and six years old. So she knows grief and loss well, and that helps a lot in her understanding of what we go through here as widowers 

And we welcome back Brian Rossi. He’s the CEO and founder of instigate they’re an entrepreneurial success engine and consultancy, and He’s author of the book, Lack or Success. He lost his life partner of over 14 years Imelda and she was his exotic inspiration, his turnaround artist, his mystic, his spiritual guide, his life Sherpa, and he lost her in 2017. And I’m sorry about that, Brian. 

Welcome both of you. So we’re here to talk about an interesting topic. And this one is interesting to me, because I’m an engineer, I’m a systems thinker, problem cause solution. I mean, the idea of spirits, ghost visitations is definitely not something that I would have readily embraced before some of my own experiences in this area after my Judy passed away. So first, I want to get an indication as to your personal belief in spirits, ghosts, and visitations.

Brian 2:49  

Imelda was a pretty, spiritually gifted woman that could see and she was a medium. She was a seventh degree empath. So she was very galactic. And that’s what she was, That’s what she did on a daily basis. 

So I was indoctrinated into and exposed to it back in the early 2004-ish range. That world was then a part of my daily experience, through conversations and so forth. So as I bring this perspective, I had a lot of years of being involved in seeing a lot of crazy, fun, unique things that have happened over the years just by who I was associated with, who my significant other was, and so forth. 

So my belief is, I definitely know and believe in spirits. I know they’re around. I have numerous things that we will hopefully talk about today on this podcast, so I’m definitely a believer.

Tom  4:00  

And, Helen, how about you? Did you come to this? Willingly? Did you come to this via a guide that might have shown you, or was it just experience of seeing the supernatural, firsthand, that kind of got you believing in spirits?

Helen  4:15  

So I’m someone who likes to keep an open mind. So I don’t want to close the door to anything. Because I think that there’s so much more that we don’t know. 

And, you know, it’s been a process for me and evolution into what I believe or what I know, based on what I’ve experienced, but Yes, I’m the same as Brian, I believe in spirits. I believe in messages that come through. I’ve experienced many of them myself, but I also support anybody else’s right to not believe and to not think the same way that I do. 

I think that for me, it’s been an important part of my career. each journey, and I found it very reassuring at times. So I’m a believer for sure.

Tom  5:11  

I was not a believer, I’m definitely the skeptic of the group, I did not have someone who was a spiritual, Brian, as you had.

However,  a couple of things happened to me that kind of convinced me. So I’m going to share a couple of those. And then I want to go around, and I’ll go Helen to you next, and then Brian, to maybe share a couple of experiences. 

There was one, which I know happens to a lot of widowers I know, where they wake up at the time of death. You know, Judy passed away in the house. And almost every day, and even sometimes, to this day, I will wake up at just about the time of her death, the dog is stirring around hearing something, you know, maybe there’s some subconscious reason for it with me. But often, and especially in the beginning, I would wake up all the time. experiencing that.

And then for me, some other things happened that were pretty darn convincing. We had these ceramic hearts that we had collected from our travels. And one by one, these hearts were well attached to the wall. And before this, and ever since, there has never been a piece of artwork that has fallen off the wall. 

But one by one, maybe a month after her death to maybe two months after her death, each one of the hearts, three in all, fell off the wall and broke. In my mind this represented one heart for each of the remaining – myself and my two daughters. And they didn’t just kind of fall off and break a little bit. Each one fell off, and we’re just shattered. I mean, unrepairable into dozens of pieces, each on different days. Three different days. This was over the course of about a month. 

And it wasn’t as a result of a door closing where sometimes you can close a door hard, it’ll shake the wall and something will fall off. It had nothing to do with any of that. They just kind of randomly flew off and crashed to the ground.

Brian  7:34  

Here’s another question. This is when the first one happened. What did you think? Did you say hey, Judy, what’s up? Or did she say or did you even go there? That’s my question. Did you even go there and acknowledge? Hey, Judy, what’s going on? You know, like you’re here, you know, I’m just curious…

Tom  7:57  

it’s a great question. I definitely thought, again the engineering logical brain is pretty strong in me, Brian, so I did go there right away, and then dismissed it. I rationalized it away. 

Stoonad is an Italian slang term we’ve used for being hick headed sometimes about stuff, So for me, it took those three times for me to really be convinced. And then there was one other heart that never did break. And there was only one that was left remaining. And, you know, I can suppose some of the symbology behind that. I thought it was that her heart and her love still goes on, And the three of us, our hearts are broken, and she’s with Him, she’s in a better place in love and surrounded with love, as part of the fabric, and that our hearts are left behind and are broken.

Brian  9:16  

I would say that she would have broken the fourth if you didn’t get the hint with the first three … that’s that’s my interpretation of the fourth one is that it took three to get it … to get the message across.

Tom  9:35  

Well, there was one other incident that was really scary, at about the time of her passing at night. One evening. The alarm system in the house because I rarely had it on at the time. But guys, it shrieked. I mean it’s screamed. It’s a sound that I didn’t even know how the alarm system even made that as it wasn’t a sound that was designed into the system. But it literally was the alarm system screaming at me, and I’ve recorded it. I won’t play it. Because it is still to this day gives me shivers and has me react and trigger because it is so frightfully scary. The sound that was coming out of the alarm system. 

I’ve got my ideas there too about what that was all about, but I want to hear some of the experiences that you guys had. So Helen, I’ll go to you first. What are some of the supernatural experiences you have had.

Helen  10:55  

There are so many to choose from.

I think one of the most profoundly helpful experiences I had was from a friend who asked me, a few weeks after David had died, whether I would be interested to go and see a medium with her. And it actually turned out to be someone who I’d seen a couple of years previously. So we went to see the medium. 

And you know, I was really deeply deeply in grief, it was super new. And the mediums’ name is Elizabeth Palin, and she’s really terrific. And she’s also English, which was good as I am from England as well. I enjoyed that. She’s from Liverpool. But she’s in the States. 

So she didn’t have any information about me other than my first name. And right away, she tuned in to David, immediately right away. And so she was saying things like he says, to tell you, he’s got a new car. And we had an argument about him leasing a car and putting the down payment on a credit card. So I felt like he was messing with me with his little sense of humor. 

She talked about how he couldn’t believe how many people came to see him when he was in the hospital, that he really loved the video. I had a video put together for the service. And he said it was really funny. And she said “He keeps doing this thin” (motioning with her hands). And this is what we would call the bear dance. He would do this little dance called the bear dance. So when we got to the bear dance, the other two prior insights I could sort of be like, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, sure. But now the bear dancer, I was like, Okay, this is going really well. 

But then she said the one thing that really just blew my mind and I just broke down sobbing. And I’ll give you the setup. After David passed away in VITAS hospital. They come in and they put the blanket over and they comb their hair, and I was in there sitting with him in the room by myself, and they combed his hair into this geeky style. So I leaned over and I fixed the hair on his head, I fixed it into his style. 

So here we are. I’m with Elizabeth Palin, the medium and she says that he says to tell you, you fixed his hair. And I just sobbed and I sobbed with the gratitude for that connection, of gratitude, knowing that he was okay. It was just a really, really profound and beautiful moment for me. So that was one of the most significant

Tom 14:00  

Yeah, I don’t know about anyone else but I got chills when you said that. And how she could have known that. There’s absolutely no way about the bear dance and the hair. Definitely not. 

I have not visited a median. But Brian, I think you have as well. So tell us a couple of your stories that lets you know that Imelda is still here.

Brian 14:26  

It’s interesting that Elizabeth is from England. So she likely has been trained in the British style of mediumship. And I would say I only know of that, because one of the ladies that Imelda used to train under was a British style medium and that style, they have to confirm without a shadow of a doubt that what they’re telling the other person is who it is before they move anywhere forward. So most likely she was confirming, and confirming, and confirming Helen just to make sure that you’re communicating with exactly who you want to communicate with, and there’s no discrepancy. 

So that’s the style that I went to when Imelda passed away, because I wanted to make sure that whoever I was talking to was a Imelda. And because I wanted very specific answers to questions. 

And so my first question to Imelda was, “why”, “why now?”, “why’d you leave?”. And I think this goes back to the overarching topic of grief and the fact that when we come here, we are with a partner that we’re supposed to be with during this lifetime. 

And so Imelda reminded me that this was part of our journey in this lifetime. To start something, and then how you need to learn Brian how to live, without me being the spiritual crutch. And I get it, I get it, it was a very rough thing to hear from someone else. 

One of the main stories that I want to talk about was, it’s about three weeks after my Imelda passed away. And I was living in this apartment with my two cats, and I wasn’t leaving the house. But eventually it came time to go get some groceries, and it started to rain, Thomas, and so I left and I went to the grocery store, and I came back, and it just stopped raining, it just stopped raining. 

I lived in this apartment complex that was in the back alley. So think of it as a small eight unit apartment building, and in the back corner is where my unit was. So there’s no one walking past this area, there’s no one walking in the rain. There’s no one walking in this back unit. And if it was, there were no other cars, in the parking lot, it was just me because I was the only one there during the day because I ran my own business.

So as I came back, and I’m going to show on the screen, I came back and on the back porch just stopped raining, like literally pulling in. And all of a sudden, I’m not sure if you can see this, but we’ll see if I can see this. But I’m going to show a picture I took on the railing. And for those that cannot see it says “I was here” in pink chalk on the railing. 

I can only attribute that to Imelda. Because that’s the only person that I could think of that could actually pull that off. 

Okay, just to let you know, three weeks after she passed away now this always gets me… there’s one more that I’d like to bring up. Imelda, like I said she had certain quirks and things that we all do in relationships. And one was this spiritual little trinket of an angel, a spiritual guide that she liked when she was not feeling very well. She would put the angel in her pocket, and she would kind of hold on to it. I have a picture of it on my social media Facebook page, and you could see it’s a spiritual angel with two wings. 

Well, about a couple of weeks before her passing one of the wings broke, like one of the wings broke off of this little spiritual Angel. And she and I look for for the broken wing everywhere, and then she passed away and when someone passes away, you know, people come and they kind of help you clean the house,  and so fast forward another month. 

So a lot of people have come through the house and a lot of people could not find it. And then one evening I was sleeping, and I got woken up during the night. I don’t know what startled me but something startled me, I woke up and went to the bathroom, I came back and  I turn on the light. And at the bottom of the bed, which is right in front of my face, which was not there before, was the wing that completes the part of the angel. 

So immediately, I’m like, I got it. I know what to do, to glue the wing back onto the angel and s that was Imelda letting me know that she’s around. I’m gonna be around you know. And that’s true. So I did say “Hey, show me a sign, keep showing me a sign that you’re round”, and she definitely delivered twice on those two scores.

Tom 19:58  

And Brian when you went to the medium, I just want to clarify that a little bit. For those who hadn’t heard the story from our first conversation, the medium basically told you that look, Imelda wants you to know that you were relying on her too much, right?

Brian  20:14  

Imelda was a very gifted reader, and for some people, that’s what they were put on this planet to do, is to be able to connect. In business and finance, it’s something that I was put on this earth to do. And Thomas, you know, being an entrepreneur and Helen doing the psychology with your clients as well, we’re all put here to be professional, she was put here to be a connector of spiritual realms and be able to read and to do that that was part of her existence.

And so, when Imelda gives me the message, I take it seriously. When you get around someone that’s very connected, we all come here to learn on our own in this spiritual journey, and I was relying on her, Imelda’s expertise, because I would get a reading every day, I would get like, Hey, what should we do today, in this thing, you know, you have this conversation with this guy, or that guy, and what should we do, and she would do a reading, and she would give me her insights. 

But at some point, you’ve got to do that yourself. Like you have to grow into this realm. And I think that’s what part of this topic is today, is to shine a light, through the power of our stories, our collective stories to say, hey, there’s more than what meets the eye, just in the physical flesh and blood of this lifetime, we’re here to do more, learn more. And part of this is to hopefully be of the light.

Tom  22:04  

I love that part to Brian, because I think as men, we tend to focus on business a lot, and our professional careers. And a lot of times, we rely very much on our wives to fill in all the other blanks in our lives. And there’s a lot after that, right. 

And I was doing that same thing. And I think that God has shown me many times that I needed to be the one that was providing service to others, like she did, but I relied on her to do that. I relied on her to be the one serving the community, serving in school, serving breast cancer survivors. I was relying on that much as you did, Brian. 

It was a crutch, essentially. And I think that part of the messaging I got loud and clear from her over the time, okay, it took me longer than it took you, Brian, because I’m thick headed. But I eventually got it to where it’s like, Look, you need to not be so hyper-focused on business and start to give back a lot more to serve more, and take my place. Now I need to be doing that – a life of service. And I need to be setting that example of service for our girls (daughters).

Brian  23:12  

And it’s that lesson in learning to trust our own intuition, and to develop our own intuition and, and the gifts that come from loss. Which is sort of an opening. Hello, I’m wondering.

Tom  23:31  

Why do you think that we do get messages back? That we stay connected? Do you think it’s so that they can help guide us, keep us out of trouble? Out of the bad directions and guide us toward the good directions? 

I definitely feel like I’m nudged a lot of times. And like I said, sometimes I have trouble listening. But I do feel like there’s positive and negative nudges that are being done. The Screaming was definitely a nudge that I was going in the wrong direction. The hearts even could have been interpreted that way. And then there have been such beautiful positive guidance that I’ve gotten as well.

Helen  24:11  

I think, again, this is an evolution in connection. Because initially, it’s all about the loss and losing the person and wanting to stay connected. 

And then we can grow into seeing and hearing the messages that are prompting us to have a look over here. Have a look over there. Don’t go over here. And I think  it happens not just for us as adults, but I know my children have had experiences when they were very little they had experiences and my eldest is quite in tune, quite psychic and my youngest is in denial of her own capabilities.  So sorry if you’re listening to this but it’s true. 

But those nudges Cat had, When she was seven, she was doing some writing. She’s a very bright kid. And she was writing about an experience. And she wanted me to type it for her and I went and looked it up today. This is a blog that she had written when she was just a young kid. And she was six when David died. And I actually wrote it down because I thought, as I was preparing for this, it would be interesting to read what she’d written. And what she wrote was that she was in bed one night, and she saw her daddy, and he whispered in her ear, “Think positive, have fun, and do your best, and you’ll do great”. So this was an experience that she had at seven, A very profound experience. 

Now backing up even before that, because Sarah, my youngest was four, four and six when David died. And there was this moment when I was trying to put into words, the fact that David was going to die, and, you know, so I told her. my four year old Sarah, I said, so David, he is going to go to heaven, he’s, he’s gonna be an angel. And then she, she said, No, he’s not, he’s standing right next to you. Well he wasn’t, we were at home, he was in bed at hospice. But that’s what she said to me. 

So, you know that connection is there, through the whole process. And then it changes. Now, my connection with David, here’s been so many other events and messages and experiences when I’ve seen him, but now, I am able to have him  on my, my, my angel team, right? He’s a part of my team. So when I meditate, I can access my team, I can access him, and I can check in and be like, Hey, should I date this guy? And he can be pretty clear about that 

Brian  27:04  

You bring up a really good point. And I just want to make it be known. You said, “learning to connect to your intuition”. And I firmly believe that’s part of the byproduct of losing someone is the wake up call, “Hey, it’s time to start honing in on this craft”. And for everyone out there,  it’s all going to be a different portion of an intuition. 

What Helen might be saying,” Hey, I meditate, and I have my team to get my information” while for others it might just be a gut understanding, or just an inner knowing. 

So know everyone’s intuition is a little bit different depending on how it showcases to you, it’s not that you have to hear it or see it or use it, sometimes you can just know it. 

And so honing that craft, and it’s very important, I state that because for years, I would try to say, “Hey, I don’t think I can do it like Imelda”.. Like she sees a symbol and gets all this information from someone, but no,  that’s not me. Like that is not me, like I get an inner knowing or I get a gut feeling. And I’m like, “Ooh, maybe I should not go right. And I should go left on that gut feeling”. And that I’ve learned over the years to know, this means go left, okay, or this means go, right, and that’s how I connect intuition. 

Everyone’s gonna learn a little bit differently. I just wanted to point that out. 

Tom  28:38  

You don’t have to be a seventh degree, to still get value and benefit from starting to connect with this other dimension, or this intuition, as you’re talking about Brian. 

And I do think that Helen, your meditation is an important element for a lot of people to connect to it. I do believe that in the world that we live in, where whenever we have quiet time, we pick up our phone, and we always have to be busy, that it gets really hard to connect, unless you do create that quiet time. 

For me, it happens to be with devotionals, it’s definitely with yoga and meditation, and at the gym when I get into a flow, on certain exercises, or even with music when I play piano. So there’s a number of ways I think that different people can connect. 

Regardless, there has to be a quieting of the noise around you in some of these issues that we’re faced with an order to connect. 

Any advice there… Brian off to you first.

Brian  29:35  

I like to connect in the morning and the evening before I go to bed. I like set times, sometimes they’re guided and sometimes they’re unguided meditations. Sometimes it’s just sitting in solitude and just thinking and connecting, Just quieting and not trying to think of anything. 

Now for me personally, I wrote about it in the book, but you know, when I first started, it was like, Hey, can I just sit here for 5 to 10 minutes and not try to think about anything. And it took about 30 days to learn and retrain my brain to not think. That was for me my first indication of how to get into a meditative state. To try to connect with silence, you know, just silence in general? 

Of course, I can’t say I  don’t think, of course, you’re gonna to get random thoughts, but I’m just saying to learn the art of not constantly thinking. Because, I know for me, in a world of stimulation, you just look on any social media, thread, or any app, it’s designed to make you stop what you’re doing. And just turn that off and just try not to do anything. That was the toughest part for me when I first made my first step into trying to meditate or reconnect to my own intuition.

Tom  31:04  

Yeah, for me, I’d literally Brian have to exhaust myself, and yoga is meant to do that, right? All of the yoga practice is set to get you to what savasana, where you lay there, in peace and quiet. But everything in the practice works up to that point, to get you in a state where you can let your mind free of thoughts and issues, 

Helen, how do you connect with your angel team?

Helen  31:32  

To get here, when I work with my clients on mindfulness, or meditation, I tell them three minutes, just three minutes, sitting in quiet. And that’s it.

And to not judge any thoughts or racing thoughts, because especially when you’ve had loss, that quiet brings feelings, and that’s painful, it’s difficult. But underneath those feelings, after they’ve been released, is a different kind of quiet. And it’s more of a peace. And that’s an important part of knowing. 

You don’t have to be 30 minutes sitting with no thoughts and feelings. I rarely am completely thought free. I usually have this process where I call it intuitive treatment planning, like all my clients fly through my head. And then I have all these intuitions about where I need to go next, on cases and things like this, and then have a moment where I’m like, oh, wait a second, I’m really sad. And I feel frustrated. And I have to process this emotionally over there. And then maybe after that, I can put in a request to go deeper. 

Tom  32:50  

She’s much more of a black belt than either of us will be Brian!

Helen  32:53  

Let me think of that, because we are all in our own places, right? We’re all black belts, because we’re our own black belts. Right? 

It is not like a path where we’re all racing towards enlightenment. It’s not like that. Because if that was it, then that’s not enlightenment. It is not a race to enlightenment. That’s not enlightenment by the very nature of that statement. 

But it makes me think of in Harry Potter Thestrals, the horses that only someone who’s witnessed a death can see. I feel like because of the losses we’ve experienced, it opens us up to an ability to go to an intuitive state more quickly than somebody who hasn’t maybe experienced that kind of loss. It’s like it’s a psychic opening in some ways. That’s just my theory on it. So I always think of the Thestrals.

Brian  33:54  

It’s a very, very interesting theory. I would consider it. I can see that as being the starting point, Helen, that gets you starting in that direction. I would say for anyone that experiences loss, it doesn’t have to be just your significant other. It  can be a mom or dad or grandma or grandpa or even a close friend, or pet. It is just the starting point of this journey of being more present to what’s possible, of reconnecting to your intuition. That’s what I believe. It’s just your intuition. I’ve gotta be here now. And now something’s got to change. And it’s got to change rapidly. Because what used to happen is not going to happen because that person or pet is not here. And things have changed.

Tom  35:00  

And Helen, I agree that you don’t need to have that loss to kind of see it. I think it does give you that catalyst for change. There are many though, grieving widowers ,who aren’t changing, you know, they are a little bit stuck. Any advice there Helen for them, and then Brian, over to you on that, because I know there are a lot who, we all go through our separate timelines and our own journey, but, they will self admit, you know, two years, three years, four years into it, and I’m no closer to kind of making the progress I thought I would have made in this timeframe. 

Helen 35:49  

I tend to view the words stuck as, as sometimes a way to judge oneself or, or others, I like to think of it more as a pause. Sometimes there’s a pause, because there’s more information that needs to be gathered, a deeper insight to be had. Before moving on to the next stage. 

I talk to my clients about how we want healing or journeys to be like this (hand up and to the right), that growth trajectory, but that’s not how it goes. Often, healing is a circle back, and then an inch forward, and then a circle back and an inch forward as we learn and grow. 

Many times my personal journey has been like, WTF as I spiral forward a bit, and then it’s gonna be like this, stalled, for a little bit, and then we’ll spiral forward. So, thinking in terms of a pause, because there’s more to be learned before the next pieces are simulated, sometimes we have to sit in the pain to release it.

Tom 37:02  

I love that. Brian, anything to add on

Brian  37:05  

The interpretation that Helen presents there, it’s very similar to the old success diagram that you see, you know, where success looks like a squiggly line. 

Helen

And it’s never linear, like how I was describing the WTF scenario. 

Brian

The way I envision it, is, when you go through it, it’s more like a tornado, and you’re kind of going upward, it looks like the same scene over and over as you spiral around. But it’s not the same, because you’re not the same. It’s different, a different time. 

And it’s just to remind you that this is a similar time, and something probably needs to be rearranged or this is a different time. And you learn through that whole circumstance. 

So I like to envision it kind of like a tornado, and it just looks the same, but it’s not. And that’ there’s parts in the journey. And I would suggest to people that are really judgmental about whether they should be further along. There is no handbook, there is no BMI: your five, seven and a quarter need to be 175 pounds. Or you know, like, if you lose someone you love, no one says 2.5 years you’re supposed to be here on the journey and 4.7 years, you’re supposed to be here on the journey. 

There’s no rule handbook. So when people say they’re judging, you’re just being really harsh on yourself. Because I’m pretty sure everyone on this call still thinks about their significant other almost every day. Or think about someone they love that passed away almost every day. 

You know, like I think about Grandpa, I think of my grandma, I think about a mountain and there’s certain people that are are gone that come to mind, that you just got reminded about as you go throughout your day. And those are the little gems that I would say are reminders when you think of grandma, or you think of your wife, or you think of your husband, right, that you’ve lost or that pet … it is just a reminder of whatever you’re thinking about. 

It’s probably them. And it’s probably a little less than or something like “Hey, don’t be so harsh on yourself and just enjoy the ride”. Like we all come here to be a part of this thing.

Tom 39:29  

So don’t beat yourself up over it or or have that rigid timeline that just may take you more time. And there’s nothing wrong with that at all. 

Let’s get back to the spirit topic. I know that several widower brothers have talked about dreams and the dreams they’ve had, and in particular, many have had dreams where their beautiful wife is not scarred from the surgeries, or the hair is restored from the chemo. It may be that they’re restored in the dream, and coming back to say, “Hey, everything is alright, and I’m now as beautiful as you remember me”. 

Brian, talk about that a little bit. Have you had any dream experiences like that?

Brian 40:15  

I’m not a big dreamer, For years, it has been very difficult for me to remember a dream. 

I have to wake up, I set my alarm. If you looked at my alarm on my phone, I wake up at 4:44 or 5:55 6:55 7:55, 8:55, 9:55, 1055. So I specifically try to induce getting up early, possibly going back to sleep, because that dream state for me is when I actually can remember a dream. So I’m a little quirky like that, but that’s how I do it. 

But on the dreams that I do remember, about Imelda, it’s usually fleeting. It’s usually that she always looks good. But there’s usually a point where she’s just trying to give me a nugget of information or just spend some time with me, and I get a little glimpse of it. 

But I’m a firm believer in dreams. I’m a firm believer that we get messages in our dreams. And there’s been many occasions not not from Imelda, but just in dreams in general, to get that intuitive hit or reconnect to your intuition through the dream state. So many times I can think of where good business ideas or guidance about people I should be hanging around with, or I shouldn’t be hanging around with and things like that.

Helen  41:38  

Well, Brian, I’m like you in that I don’t remember my dreams. I have never had a dream about David. If I have, I haven’t recorded it because that’s just the way I am. I just don’t. But I’ve had many times when I’ve seen him. 

Brian  41:58  

You can see him like, you see him like in real life?

Helen  42:02  

Yes, it doesn’t happen anymore. But in the first, around five years, I would see him and it started about seven months after he died. I would see him come down the stairs every night, I’d have the girls in bed and their stories done and I’d be sitting on the couch by myself. And I would see him come down the stairs every night and then just sort of dissipated at the bottom of the stairs. Like he just read those stories to them. 

And then after a year, a little over a year, we moved back into a house that we also owned, as I had to downsize. When we went into this house where he and I had lived before, I couldn’t feel him and didn’t see him in the same way that I did at our house. 

And so I was really gutted. I was really upset about that, because I’d been used to sort of seeing his presence, feeling his presence in that way. So I asked him to come and literally the next night, I would see him coming out of the bedroom and going to get ice cream from the freezer. It’s always the same thing. 

So probably Brian, you might know a little bit about what that might be as far as having Imelda. She probably taught you quite a lot about those kind of, like, lingering presence, or I don’t know what you would even call it but,

Brian  43:28  

I mean, obviously he was there, if you see him, and that’s what’s cool about it, you know? It kind of reminds me of one more thing. When I go to bed. There was a light, there’s a light next to the bed. And every night, there’d be like a ring like thing around the light. And it was usually her like just letting you know, like and I’m good. I had gotten so used to it. You’re like “Hey, Imelda, you doing OK, you know, is everything good?”. “Yeah, I had another great day, killer day”, She lets you know when she’s around and I think that’s what David was letting you know, that he’s around.

Helen  44:12  

They’re always around. And, just be okay with it. I mean, it’s cool. It’s cool. It’s the next best rendition then being here physically, but you know, it’s great to still be connected. Energetically and personally it’s like the second best thing that could happen in this situation.

Tom  44:38  

Helen, what’s the one thing you’d like to leave our growth warriors with today? With regard to spirits ghosts.

Helen 44:44  

The one thing: be open hearted and open minded … if you think you’re seeing it, you are. If you think you’re hearing it you are.Aand that’s all part of being open hearted and open minded

Tom  45:04  

I totally agree. And it took me a while to get there. So totally agree with that advice. Brian?

Brian  45:11  

I would say it’s a good message in being open minded and just be, 

But also, it’s okay. if it does happen. You can ask for it. You can do so in a controlled way. It doesn’t have to be sprung upon you. You can have a prayer to your loved ones that have them nicely show to you, so you know that they’re around and they’re thinking about you. 

I like to see cardinals. Cardinals are well known, that when you see a cardinal usually I think of my loved ones, whoever I’m thinking about. So that could be a first down-payment is when you see a cardinal, think of your loved one, and that could be the way it kind of starts from there.

Tom  46:07  

And my advice to everyone is, don’t be as skeptical as I was. You know those signs, believe them when they’re there. 

Try to quiet your mind so that you can connect to them. 

And like you said, Brian, don’t be afraid to ask for guidance, ask for signs, ask for it and quiet your mind enough so that you’re actually listening, and that you can hear it and when you hear it, believe it. 

So, guys, thank you so much, Brian. Thanks for joining us again and Helen as well. Great always to have you here.